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I have a theory (that I concocted because I just saw infinity war and my soul is decimated and I really really want Vision and Wanda to have their happy ending) and maybe I could get some help on this? So we know there was a casting call for baby twins in avengers 4. Depending on the timeline between IW and 4, does this mean Wanda would have been/will be pregnant in either movie? Maybe just hopeful guessing but I mean maybe?

Ngl, I’ve been rubbing my hands over that idea muttering “my precious, my precious” since I saw that casting call, and now especially with IW ending. Okay, points in favor:

  1. There was a casting call for twins.
  2. There are somewhat credible rumors that a 16-year-old has been cast as Cassie Lang, specifically for Avengers 4. That’s 5-6 years older than the 10-year-old who played her in Ant-Man. Since Mar’Vell will be joining the MCU in Captain Marvel, and Hawkeye is going to have some solo adventures in Avengers 4 (Kate?) we may very well be primed for the Young Avengers.
  3. And if we are primed for them, this is pretty much their only chance to bring in Tommy and Billy with anything close to resembling their comic book heritage. 

Counterpoints:

  1. The casting call was only for two days and went out very shortly before the role was needed and for a pretty small pay rate, and for young actors twins are often cast so that they can film around labor law constraints. This implies this is a very small role, which if Wanda’s got babies that’s going to be majorly important to her arc.
  2. The casting call was for 2-year-olds, not 5-year-olds. If we’re talking about a time skip, the years don’t add up.
  3. They could just bring in Wiccan and Speed with no connection to Wanda and/or Vision.

But those counterpoints are dependent on the idea the casting call was the only actors being cast for the twins. But realistically, they would had their casting director find suitable actors–I’ll point out we had no idea who the actress for young Gamora was until about a month before the movie, and that’s because she told us herself. So we wouldn’t realistically be clued into the Minimoffs until we got a trailer for them.

But–be careful what we wish for. The point in bringing Billy and Tommy in is so we can have Wiccan and Speed, and we can’t have them without the age up. Which means if we get the boys, then we’re going to lose the boys too. Poor Wanda…

But omg when everyone started turning to dust the whole theater lost their shit. I screamed when wanda turned to dust like holy shit. AND THEN SPIDEY I DONT WANT TO GO MR STARK WAS SO HEARTBREAKING LIKE THIS MOVIE Ahhhhhhhh

Mine was silent both times, like it was a funeral. Spidey’s death was the only one that made me cry on my first watch. When Vision was being killed I was doing mental floor routines trying to figure out how he could get out of this, how he didn’t really have to die, so I wasn’t fully in the moment. And boy, Thanos sure showed me how Vision could get out of that…

Just curious do you think Vision is really dead? I hope not.

@huntressride 
Do you think vision is really going to stay dead? My heart is exploding at the thought of Wanda living without him!

I am so biased here! I really am. I can’t get a good sense of where the narrative might go because I’m hung up on what I want to happen. Not to mention IW ends in such a dramatically upending way it’s hard to know what the next step. So do I think he will live? I say he can live.

They have to be incredibly conscious of how bringing back dead characters will cheapen loss for any truly dead character and lower the stakes of the movie. So if they decide to do it, they have to fulfill certain criteria to make it satisfying. There must be preceding justification, it must fulfill a need for the story that could not have been fulfilled otherwise, the audience must be made to feel as strongly (in a positive way) about bringing him back as they felt when he died.

For Vision, we have two routes. The first is Shuri has a backup copy. I’d even point out this bit in the Infinity War prelude comic:

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Shuri was able to digitally copy Bucky’s brain and then basically overwrite him with that copy. She did that with a living, organic being. Hell yeah she could do that with Vision.

There’s also the notion that Vision’s consciousness might reside in the Mind Stone, which I argued for here.

Though I would like to point out these two things are not mutually exclusive.

As far as story concerns, there’s plenty of ways it could go that would make Vision returning critical. You have to think about the things that are unique to Vision and perhaps unique to the way he died: he bore the Mind Stone; Wanda is in love with him; his death was reversed (natural order, as Wong would say); Wanda sacrificed what she loved most, etc. So long as it plays off of those things, it’s viable.

The last is the trickiest. I’ve said it before, but there was so much emphasis placed on his death, it does make it feel very permanent. They would have to place quite a bit of emphasis on what it means for him to come back to make up for it.

What I suspect–or perhaps I should say the most I hope for–is that Vision is not directly resurrected, but rather his consciousness comes to the fore in the Mind Stone, and Wanda perhaps has a scene (like Thanos and Gamora) with him before he’s gone for good. I don’t think the movie will fully resurrect him, but I think it will provide Wanda with closure, especially if they hope to use her in the future.

I seriously don’t know how to recover from Vision’s deaths and ScarletVision and Avengers IW in general. I mean, his last words and scenes haunted me despite knowing that he’s just a fictional character. I’ve seen a lot of his developments in IW and I was blown away but his ending was so horrible. I need more than a hug :((

It’s okay, IW’s ending was just one of the timelines Strange saw. In the real timeline, Wanda said yes to staying with Vision and they decided to travel the world! The Northern Cascades were their first stop.

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They can spend awhile there, since Vision only carries provisions for Wanda. Wanda likes the mountains–they remind her of Sokovia. Vision likes that it’s mostly wilderness, so he doesn’t have to worry as much about staying in disguise. Wanda has perfected a low-level telekinetic field that acts as a mosquito repellent. Vision, on the other hand, gets excited when a bug lands on him. He is particularly fond of northern bluets.

Infinity war literally destroyed my heart oh my goddddddd

I just got back from watching it again! Oh my god, it’s even more emotional the second time. The preparation only breaks your heart more. I noticed some new things!

  • When Wanda hops Vision and her up to the roof, Vision pushes her away last second as Proxima comes in and takes the hit.
  • Vision loves kissing her hands. I think he does it at least once in every major scene they’re in.
  • When Wanda’s expression changes after Vision asks if they can stay together, Vision responds ‘Or not, if I’m overstepping myself…’ This is such a sweet development for him! He recognizes the nuances of Wanda’s feelings now, and he accommodates them. Vision was never trying to control Wanda.
  • You know how the late Englehart Vision got almost shockingly human to show how he’s grown as a person? I love how the MCU variant of this is him being a stuttery, enthusiastic nerd when it comes to Wanda.
  • Adding to the Thanos and Wanda parallels, Gamora’s last words (and last words to Thanos) are: “This isn’t love”. Vision’s are “I love you”.
  • I missed how often and how sadly Cap looked at Vision and Wanda together. He really felt for them!
  • I’m curious what the scenario is of Vision’s “stolen moments” with Wanda. Tony says Vision turned off his transponder two weeks ago–he says it like it’s an abnormal occurrence and he definitely doesn’t know where Vision is. So Vision doing so isn’t normal. Does this mean he was planning so early to ask to stay with Wanda?
  • As the Mind Stone starts to break, one of the first cracks that forms on his face runs down from his eye like a tear.