Tag: scarletvision

Listen, I’m gonna talk about how Vision is a person and how much I Do Not Get how people have trouble accepting this.

This is a character who has like four separate scenes in Age of Ultron alone dedicated to establishing his personhood. The Avengers Tower scene to establish that the hammer really does judge worthiness, there’s Scarlet Witch reading him to establish his mind is definitely like a human being, we have Vision declaring himself an individual, we have Vision lifting the hammer and establishing Mjolnir has judged him a worthy person.

“BUT WAIT THERE’S THAT THING ABOUT HOW HE’S BASICALLY AN ELEVATOR, BASICALLY”

NO. You have bad narrative comprehension! Your English teacher failed you! Putting aside that Thor laughs dismissively at those comments, there is no point to Vision lifting Mjolnir if it has no meaning!

This is like watching Titanic and going “hey, but Rose DID just let Jack go! What the heck movie, she just said she wouldn’t!” Like, yeah, maybe I get if you completely missed everything related to character, narrative, or thematic resonance, that’s how you can interpret it… but for everyone else, Vision is worthy because he’s worthy.

Is it just a matter of looking at the smallest, most passing view of a character and making a decision based solely on that? Is this like watching Civil War and going “Hey, that Captain America guy isn’t pro-government anymore! But he’s called Captain America and that sounds pro-government to me! What the heck!” and having missed the last two movies that are explicitly about him defying government authority? So, like just looking at Vision and going “oh, android” and deciding that’s it, that’s the character, no further thinking needed.

And, hey, maybe Age of Ultron didn’t convince you. He’s too perfect, and he sounds just like JARVIS, so maybe he’s just following a set of protocols! “Okay,” say the writers, “How about a movie where he gets caught up in his emotions, makes mistakes, has regrets, and changes? That’s what real people do!”  

“NO.” you say. “HE’S GOT LIKE PURPLE CIRCUITRY STUFF ON HIS FACE AND IT DOESN’T COUNT.”

“Really? Ok. Well, THIS movie is about how Vision starts off by deciding he doesn’t want to be loyal to any specific team, but the person he loves, thus defying any semblance of protocol loyalty to Tony. Only to make the choice to let his own actualized life be taken by the woman he loves to save trillions. Tragically being destroyed to do what he was created for (to protect life), by who he wanted to live for (his love, Wanda).”

And at this point I can’t even pretend to get into the head of someone who thinks this isn’t enough. Is it like a shipping thing? Is making Vision just a robot like the Wanda/Vision equivalent of making Pepper Potts an abusive shrew so Tony can hook up with whoever? Is it because he wielded Mjolnir, and some people want that big ‘Oooo’ moment to count for their fave instead? Like we have three different movies that are really damaged narratively by refusing to accept Vision as a person. Why even watch these movies? Why even consume any kind of speculative fiction if you only want to accept stuff specifically within your sphere of existence?

I Don’t Get It.

But, it doesn’t really matter. The writers, directors, crew, actors, and everyone else with a say in it make the decisions about this, and they decided to tell a story of a God of Thunder who finds him worthy to defend Earth. Of a war hero who would sacrifice his life to defend him. Of a hardened ex-Russian spy who is deeply struck by his death. Of a woman who loves him till the moment she dies.

And if you insist on believing that this stuff doesn’t count, that Vision’s personhood doesn’t qualify or matter to the narrative, well, that’s your choice. But I gotta say–you’re really missing out.

garbaegee:

I wonder if all the team members heard Wanda and Vision’s conversation since they all seemed to have that magical invisible yet working ear bud thingy they always have, though most of the team members might have been unconscious. But imagine Cap, Nat, Falcon, War machine, Bruce, and everyone just listening to Vision saying “you could never hurt me, I just feel you” and then there’s almost deafening sound of Wanda’s magic and the mind gem getting destroyed and all, and the faintest sound of “I love you”. That kind of makes the whole scene where the surviving members come near Vision’s corpse like ten times more miserable..especially Nat’s facial expression..

I know there’s some disappointment that because of the introduction of Vision’s human form, we sometimes see Vision’s android form displaced. But it will always be a net gain for me, because it means we might be able to get Vision cameos in lower production stuff.

And by lower production stuff I mean One Shots.

And by One Shots I mean Marvel please give me a short film of Wanda and Vision falling in love set to the music of Paperman set in the style of the first 7 minutes of Up before it gets sad.

More Scarlet Vision thoughts…

anonthenullifier:

I can’t stop thinking about how good Markus and McFeely are at writing dialogue that builds background, particularly about Wanda and Vision.

*****Infinity War spoilers below*****

Let’s look at the scene on the streets of Edinburgh.

“You gave Stark your word.” “There are people who are expecting me too, you know. We’ve both made promises.” This exchange, to me, is not just about the fact they chose sides in Civil War and have a responsibility to that. This, coupled with Tony telling Bruce that Steve can find Vision, and Nat asking Wanda what happened to checking in, makes it clear that everyone knows their relationship is happening. Maybe not from the start, but these two probably aren’t the most sly. I imagine Nat confronting Wanda early on and Vision, when he goes to leave one time for his “extended mission to track down the rogue Avengers” Tony smiles and says, “Say hi to Wanda for me!” So, given everyone knows, Wanda and Vision had to promise their respective people that this relationship wouldn’t compromise their duty, that they would always put being Avengers (or rogue Avengers) first, because otherwise it could end up hurting more than just the two of them. I’m certain Wanda and Vision have talked wistfully about shirking their responsibilities, likely while curled together in bed or watching a particularly beautiful sunset, yet it always ends with their promises to their teams. Hence, “I’d rather give it [Vision’s word] to you” “We’ve both made promises.” “But not to each other.” They both know they want this, but they’ve been holding back (not completely, clearly) because of other responsibilities and it’s about time they decide, mutually, what they want.

 “Two years, we’ve stolen these moments.” Two years! Two years! This is not a new relationship, this has been happening for a long time, hell, this started soon after the Raft break out. Maybe even during the Raft breakout, if Vision helped (no one can take that headcanon from me). 

Vision’s flummoxed talking.  One, they establish Vision’s insecurity and nerves in both himself and his relationship, despite its lengthy duration and clear mutual affection. But then he says “You know what, I’m just gonna speak for myself.” This line has so much weight to it. It tells us that Vision is prone to do things for others above himself, so much so he may rarely share his own opinions on things. Not only that but clearly he and Wanda have discussed this (her tiny smirk at this comment is both because he’s adorable but also because she’s proud of him taking initiative), I imagine that Wanda has had to inform him that he can have wants too, that it is not just what she wants, or what Tony wants, or what Steve, or Nat, or Ross, or what anyone else wants that always matters. Vision is a person, an individual, and he is allowed to be a bit selfish sometimes. Perhaps these conversations were part of the beginning of their relationship while stealing moments with each other. I imagine Vision was torn about breaking the Accords to meet with her and Wanda, after listening to him fret about the dissonance from his conflicting actions, grabbed his hand, stared him in the eye and said, “What do you want? Don’t think about it, just say it.” And Vision, while feeling her rings against his hand and seeing the sincerity in her eyes, cupped her face and for the first time since the kitchen, prior to Leipzig, felt completely sure in his words as he stared in her eyes, “You.”

“I…I…I think it works.” “It works.” “It works.” Hell yes it works, you crazy kids. We all can see that now, which is also why Tony, Steve, et al. allow this to continue. 

“Stay. Stay wth me…or not, if I’m overstepping.” Now we come full circle from Vision speaking for himself to also showing you how intensely focused he is on respecting the wants of others. He’s spoken his mind, stuttering the whole way, but he also acknowledges and accepts that Wanda might not feel the same. That is true respect, and relationships built on this respect have a firm foundation.

Then they see what’s on the screen and almost instantly Vision says ”I have to go.” and I imagine in that moment, staring at the harm that occurred in his absence, Vision feels immense guilt and responsibility, both things that propel him later on to instantly suggest sacrificing his life for the well being of others. This is in line with what was established only a minute or so earlier. But it’s here that their views swap, because Wanda is now encouraging him to stay. “Then maybe going isn’t the best idea.”. Now that it’s not just this amorphous duty and responsibility, now that it is Vision’s actual well-being, Wanda is okay dropping all else to protect what she loves. At least long enough to formulate a plan instead of Vision’s response of needing to immediately go to the action to help.

It’s amazing that so much was conveyed in so little time, and the character beats in this scene continue through the rest of the movie. Both Wanda and Vision’s actions and motivations later on parallel and emphasize what was said in this conversation.