When I saw that ending,one of my theories was that Thanos would have created another reality (like Wanda does on the comics) and on it Wanda would have the babies. By beaking the reality, she would lose them. Basically House of M except it would not be Wanda’s doing.

@anon
So what are your theories for avengers 4 and how Wanda will play out in it?

Anons, these questions are related so I’m tying them together.

Yes, I’ve had that exact thought! I think we have two points that support that:

I don’t believe the dusted Avengers are going to just stay gone until the movie’s end.

Parallel universes have been brought up in Doctor Strange, and he’s one of the dusted Avengers.
On the flip side, I’m pretty sure the writers have specifically said ‘no alternate universes’, but I can’t find the interview.

Like I said here, if they want to bring in Tommy and Billy, now is basically their one shot.

Okay,
so I’m well aware I’m viewing this through the lens of what I want to
see. My theories are coming back to her being important, but that could
easily be projection. And we know so little about it, all of our
theories are basically just us soft writing the script from whole cloth
(or scraps of cloth anyway).

BUT! If we’re going to be theorizing, I say let’s shamelessly tailor that script. What else do we have to do?

So, what could alternate universe Wanda with babies include?

Amnesia. If they’re looking to replicate Diassambled/HoM, a Wanda who
doesn’t remember her history is probably the closest we’ll get to a
Wanda who is unable to differentiate realities.
In the comics, the
Stones don’t work outside of their home universe. Her power was
connected to the Mind Stone. She may be now be powerless.
Or so we
think. One of the things the original twins were meant to represent was a
Wanda’s powers grown to unprecedented levels. Perhaps
her power lies with her children.
This could still mean Wanda loses her regular powers–thus prepping her for an apprenticeship to Doctor Strange.
If Wanda has to lose her kids, then I suspect the writers will want
Wanda being the key to connecting the universe so that she has agency in
this loss. Sacrificing what she loves most (again).
Post-credits stinger of a kid who’s referred to as “Billy” in the last second.
We just got confirmation A4 is not called Infinity Gauntlet. Could it
be Disassembled? I’ve heard that tossed around for a long time, but with
the end of IW it takes on a new meaning, with many of the Avengers
being literally disassembled.

noona96n:

Time was a constant theme in Wanda and Vision’s relationship in Avenger Infinity War.

All they wanted time. Time to stay together. Just a bit longer. Miss one train. Miss the next. Stayed in bed.

In the beginning, Natasha was scolding Wanda about not being reckless and always checking and what did Wanda say? ‘We just wanted time.’

Vision begged Wanda to destroy the stone while it was still in his head and he said ‘We are out of time.’

Thanos got the Mind Stone in the end, and how did he do it? The Time Stonex turning back time to when the Stone was still intact and gouged it out of Vision.

Time was never on Wanda and Vision’s side, and all they wanted was time.

I have a theory (that I concocted because I just saw infinity war and my soul is decimated and I really really want Vision and Wanda to have their happy ending) and maybe I could get some help on this? So we know there was a casting call for baby twins in avengers 4. Depending on the timeline between IW and 4, does this mean Wanda would have been/will be pregnant in either movie? Maybe just hopeful guessing but I mean maybe?

Ngl, I’ve been rubbing my hands over that idea muttering “my precious, my precious” since I saw that casting call, and now especially with IW ending. Okay, points in favor:

There was a casting call for twins.
There are somewhat credible rumors that a 16-year-old has been cast as Cassie Lang, specifically for Avengers 4. That’s 5-6 years older than the 10-year-old who played her in Ant-Man. Since Mar’Vell will be joining the MCU in Captain Marvel, and Hawkeye is going to have some solo adventures in Avengers 4 (Kate?) we may very well be primed for the Young Avengers.
And if we are primed for them, this is pretty much their only chance to bring in Tommy and Billy with anything close to resembling their comic book heritage.

Counterpoints:

The casting call was only for two days and went out very shortly before the role was needed and for a pretty small pay rate, and for young actors twins are often cast so that they can film around labor law constraints. This implies this is a very small role, which if Wanda’s got babies that’s going to be majorly important to her arc.
The casting call was for 2-year-olds, not 5-year-olds. If we’re talking about a time skip, the years don’t add up.
They could just bring in Wiccan and Speed with no connection to Wanda and/or Vision.

But those counterpoints are dependent on the idea the casting call was the only actors being cast for the twins. But realistically, they would had their casting director find suitable actors–I’ll point out we had no idea who the actress for young Gamora was until about a month before the movie, and that’s because she told us herself. So we wouldn’t realistically be clued into the Minimoffs until we got a trailer for them.

But–be careful what we wish for. The point in bringing Billy and Tommy in is so we can have Wiccan and Speed, and we can’t have them without the age up. Which means if we get the boys, then we’re going to lose the boys too. Poor Wanda…

But omg when everyone started turning to dust the whole theater lost their shit. I screamed when wanda turned to dust like holy shit. AND THEN SPIDEY I DONT WANT TO GO MR STARK WAS SO HEARTBREAKING LIKE THIS MOVIE Ahhhhhhhh

Mine was silent both times, like it was a funeral. Spidey’s death was the only one that made me cry on my first watch. When Vision was being killed I was doing mental floor routines trying to figure out how he could get out of this, how he didn’t really have to die, so I wasn’t fully in the moment. And boy, Thanos sure showed me how Vision could get out of that…

Just curious do you think Vision is really dead? I hope not.

@huntressride
Do you think vision is really going to stay dead? My heart is exploding at the thought of Wanda living without him!

I am so biased here! I really am. I can’t get a good sense of where the narrative might go because I’m hung up on what I want to happen. Not to mention IW ends in such a dramatically upending way it’s hard to know what the next step. So do I think he will live? I say he can live.

They have to be incredibly conscious of how bringing back dead characters will cheapen loss for any truly dead character and lower the stakes of the movie. So if they decide to do it, they have to fulfill certain criteria to make it satisfying. There must be preceding justification, it must fulfill a need for the story that could not have been fulfilled otherwise, the audience must be made to feel as strongly (in a positive way) about bringing him back as they felt when he died.

For Vision, we have two routes. The first is Shuri has a backup copy. I’d even point out this bit in the Infinity War prelude comic:

Shuri was able to digitally copy Bucky’s brain and then basically overwrite him with that copy. She did that with a living, organic being. Hell yeah she could do that with Vision.

There’s also the notion that Vision’s consciousness might reside in the Mind Stone, which I argued for here.

Though I would like to point out these two things are not mutually exclusive.

As far as story concerns, there’s plenty of ways it could go that would make Vision returning critical. You have to think about the things that are unique to Vision and perhaps unique to the way he died: he bore the Mind Stone; Wanda is in love with him; his death was reversed (natural order, as Wong would say); Wanda sacrificed what she loved most, etc. So long as it plays off of those things, it’s viable.

The last is the trickiest. I’ve said it before, but there was so much emphasis placed on his death, it does make it feel very permanent. They would have to place quite a bit of emphasis on what it means for him to come back to make up for it.

What I suspect–or perhaps I should say the most I hope for–is that Vision is not directly resurrected, but rather his consciousness comes to the fore in the Mind Stone, and Wanda perhaps has a scene (like Thanos and Gamora) with him before he’s gone for good. I don’t think the movie will fully resurrect him, but I think it will provide Wanda with closure, especially if they hope to use her in the future.

marvelsclub:

Scream, Wanda, scream!

I seriously don’t know how to recover from Vision’s deaths and ScarletVision and Avengers IW in general. I mean, his last words and scenes haunted me despite knowing that he’s just a fictional character. I’ve seen a lot of his developments in IW and I was blown away but his ending was so horrible. I need more than a hug :((

It’s okay, IW’s ending was just one of the timelines Strange saw. In the real timeline, Wanda said yes to staying with Vision and they decided to travel the world! The Northern Cascades were their first stop.

They can spend awhile there, since Vision only carries provisions for Wanda. Wanda likes the mountains–they remind her of Sokovia. Vision likes that it’s mostly wilderness, so he doesn’t have to worry as much about staying in disguise. Wanda has perfected a low-level telekinetic field that acts as a mosquito repellent. Vision, on the other hand, gets excited when a bug lands on him. He is particularly fond of northern bluets.