Tag: infinity war

I seriously don’t know how to recover from Vision’s deaths and ScarletVision and Avengers IW in general. I mean, his last words and scenes haunted me despite knowing that he’s just a fictional character. I’ve seen a lot of his developments in IW and I was blown away but his ending was so horrible. I need more than a hug :((

It’s okay, IW’s ending was just one of the timelines Strange saw. In the real timeline, Wanda said yes to staying with Vision and they decided to travel the world! The Northern Cascades were their first stop.

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They can spend awhile there, since Vision only carries provisions for Wanda. Wanda likes the mountains–they remind her of Sokovia. Vision likes that it’s mostly wilderness, so he doesn’t have to worry as much about staying in disguise. Wanda has perfected a low-level telekinetic field that acts as a mosquito repellent. Vision, on the other hand, gets excited when a bug lands on him. He is particularly fond of northern bluets.

Infinity war literally destroyed my heart oh my goddddddd

I just got back from watching it again! Oh my god, it’s even more emotional the second time. The preparation only breaks your heart more. I noticed some new things!

  • When Wanda hops Vision and her up to the roof, Vision pushes her away last second as Proxima comes in and takes the hit.
  • Vision loves kissing her hands. I think he does it at least once in every major scene they’re in.
  • When Wanda’s expression changes after Vision asks if they can stay together, Vision responds ‘Or not, if I’m overstepping myself…’ This is such a sweet development for him! He recognizes the nuances of Wanda’s feelings now, and he accommodates them. Vision was never trying to control Wanda.
  • You know how the late Englehart Vision got almost shockingly human to show how he’s grown as a person? I love how the MCU variant of this is him being a stuttery, enthusiastic nerd when it comes to Wanda.
  • Adding to the Thanos and Wanda parallels, Gamora’s last words (and last words to Thanos) are: “This isn’t love”. Vision’s are “I love you”.
  • I missed how often and how sadly Cap looked at Vision and Wanda together. He really felt for them!
  • I’m curious what the scenario is of Vision’s “stolen moments” with Wanda. Tony says Vision turned off his transponder two weeks ago–he says it like it’s an abnormal occurrence and he definitely doesn’t know where Vision is. So Vision doing so isn’t normal. Does this mean he was planning so early to ask to stay with Wanda?
  • As the Mind Stone starts to break, one of the first cracks that forms on his face runs down from his eye like a tear.

IW Theory: The Significance of “I Just Feel You”

Right after Civil War,
Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely

had an interview talking about Infinity War.

If there is one obvious hint in Civil War at what’s in store with Infinity War,
it’s when Vision says he wishes he could control the infinity stone in
his head. When we spoke with Markus and McFeely, they confirmed Vision’s
line is a tease:

Markus:
That’s the most blatant set up I can think of.

At best, you could say that Vision’s lack of control is significant, yet it’s never pointed out in the movie as such. The Stone is treated more or less the way it has since Age of Ultron–as a distinct entity from Vision.

So if that line is “blatant set up”, where’s the pay off?

Early in the movie, Wanda and Vision share a sweet exchange–Vision is feeling pain from the Stone, feels like it’s almost trying to tell him something. He asks Wanda to see what she feels, and she says–”I just feel you”.

Later Vision will comfort her in his last moments, telling her as she prepares to destroy him, “You could never hurt me. I just feel you.”

Taken at face value, the first is about how Wanda simply doesn’t have the power or experience to sense anything from the Stone. The second is a tragic callback to a happier time.

But taken literally Wanda is telling us (without realizing it herself), is there is just Vision in the Mind Stone. He is the Mind Stone. She could feel anything else because there is nothing else but him.

So Vision’s final words to her take on a new meaning: the Mind Stone only feels her, the woman he loves–even as she destroys him. Vision/the Stone can’t be hurt by Wanda because he knows her, and he knows he loves her.

What does this mean for Avengers 4?

  1. The Mind Stone is the Stone that we’re told seems to think on its own, long before anyone merges it with any sort of consciousness or protocol.
  2. Infinity War shows us the Soul Stone, capable of independent judgement and wisdom.
  3. One of the final scenes is Thanos interacting with Gamora–or something that looks like Gamora–entirely without his own will.
  4. The Gauntlet was damaged.

Taken all together, this means Thanos doesn’t have the Stones subjugated to his will anymore, if he ever fully did. And if Vision is still there–if a part of Vision is still there, then he knows her.

And he could never hurt her.

Why is there so much Wanda hate? Honestly curious. I don’t get it. (Also, Vision hate)

If you mean for IW, I haven’t seen hate yet. Perhaps some people are bitter about Wanda not killing Vision earlier, but whether she would or not made no difference because all the heroes were in agreement that nobody should have to kill Vision, and they’d rather fight. Not to mention, once Thanos got the Time Stone, it didn’t matter when she did it.

If you mean from before, there are two camps:

  1. People who are angry at how the character was adapted. She is Romani in the comics, and Marvel cast a non-Romani woman, and had her working with HYDRA. This is a subject I’m not going to get into it this moment.
  2. People who are angry that Wanda messed with Tony and Tony gets full blame for Ultron but Wanda doesn’t.

For the record, I agree Wanda is also responsible for Ultron, it’s just not as important to her character arc anymore, because it’s her origin story. She was narratively punished by the death of her brother and the destruction of the home she was trying to save. It’s the final piece in her becoming an Avenger. That’s why no one keeps going back to it. For Tony, though, it’s a part of an ongoing character development.

As for Vision, that’s mostly people who don’t like his relationship with Wanda for the most part. That is about two things usually:

  1. The idea Vision was manipulating Wanda in CW, which I addressed here
  2. The age difference between the actors, which I addressed here

I really love your theory that Vision’s consciousness has survived within the Mind Stone and will fight Thanos from there. Just like Gamora is somehow inside the Soul Stone. But I also wonder if Shuri managed to separate his consciousness from the Mind Stone before she was interrupted and she, Bruce and Tony will reanimate him in A4. She did take the file with her when she escaped the lab.

Oh, I didn’t catch that! I’ll be seeing the movie again today, so I’ll be able to soak in details a bit better. That’s fascinating. So, with only part of Vision’s brain–the parts that canonically make up the less-sentient, less advanced side of him–and with a colorless Vision corpse lying around, and a super genius who’s the world’s expert on vibranium right nearby as well as one of his original creators…

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