Hi, just a quick question, I started following this blog after Civil War, so I wanted to know what your policy on spoilers is? Are you a spoilers free blog, or spoilers with tags, or spoilers without tags? I just want to know because I’d like to go into Infinity War knowing as little as humanly possible!

EDIT: Well, I’m a dirty flipflopper. I was expecting we wouldn’t get much of substantial value until much closer to IW release–but with that not being the case, I’m diving headfirst into spoilerland. This blog will tag #infinity war, and #spoilers, but will contain spoiler content.

~~I myself try to go into total blackout mode when actual story content starts appearing for a new movie, including staying off of Tumblr itself.~~

The set photos we just got of Vision aren’t what I’d call story content, since we knew he was appearing in Infinity War anyway, but it is quite possible for set photos to contain spoilers (either directly or by inference), and those I won’t post (and try desperately to avoid if I can).

I won’t share anything else from development besides some promotional photos and the two major theatrical trailers Marvel tends to release, which I’ll tag as #infinity war. If I end up cracking, the only thing you’ll see is my own content, which I’ll always stick it under a cut with tags!

~~After release I’ll tag for spoilers but be posting them without a cut for about two weeks.~~

I’m an autistic person and I recognise a lot of myself in Vision, in the way he acts, talks and thinks. His character is a lot easier to understand if you look at him from that viewpoint (In addition to recognising that he is also technically agender), and I’m sad not a lot of people do. Most character hate and love for him I see are filled with misconceptions and ableism.

I think a lot of that to do with the way his character is being set up, especially in contrast to the other Avengers.

Of all the characters with an arc in Civil War, Vision is the only character whose emotional perspective is never discussed. Wanda talks about how people feel about her and how she feels about herself; T’Challa expresses his feelings on vengeance and letting go; Tony talks about his guilt and his desire to keep his family together, etc.

But since most of Vision’s dialogue is about logic–what he thinks has, is, and will happen based upon his understanding of the facts of the situation–the audience is left to their own interpretation. There is only one instance, in my opinion, in both of his movies where Vision expresses what is clearly emotional motivation–

Despite that, the writers tried to be as clear as possible that Vision has trouble detecting social cues and emotion in other people–his introductory scene in Civil War really smartly sets it up.

Not only does it establish Vision’s unfamiliarity with social customs, they take it a step further by telling us even though Vision doesn’t understand these social rules, he still attempts to respect them to the best of his ability. That’s the point of this bit right here:

This line is meant to tell us that Vision intended to respect Wanda’s desires, but that their previous discussion (”We talked about this!”) led him to believe that the layers and caveats about privacy were different than how Wanda sees them.

This scene sets the tone for all of Vision’s scenes: that even though Vision does not intrinsically understand, he makes an effort to learn. His understanding and experiences are very different from the rest of the characters, but he is by no means malicious or even unthoughtful.

If Infinity War chooses to expand on Vision’s perspective of emotion I think it’ll be easier for audiences to understand. Until then, all those things that assign Vision a malice that isn’t there–that Vision was trying to manipulate Wanda into staying at the compound; that he was trying to blame her for the “catastrophe”; that he purposefully shot Rhodey down in anger, and so on, will persist.

I don’t know if you’ve talked about this before, but it’s been bugging me a lot. So I’ve seen a lot of people saying that it was completely vision’s fault that war machine fell in civil war but I really feel like it wasn’t? Sure he was distracted for a second, but when he aimed he was clearly going to hit Sam’s thruster, but Sam dodged so it hit rhodey instead. I’ve also seen a lot of people say that, had hit Sam, sam would’ve died, but the whole point of going for his thruster was so (1/2)

(2/2) he could safely glide to the ground (“turn him into a glider”). Of course, Sam couldn’t have known this so he instinctively dodged, but vision also couldn’t have known sam was going to dodge, so neither of them are to blame, it was a complete accident, right? I’ve also seen people say that vision purposely targeted rhodey since he hurt wanda with that sonic pulse thing, but he would never do that and the idea that people think he would kind of annoys me.

The writers and directors have talked at length about this, and they’ve all confirmed that Vision was distracted by “feelings” for Wanda, exactly as stated in the film. He wasn’t intentionally trying to hit Rhodes (or kill Sam, for that matter).

Just from a narrative perspective, the whole point of the “turn him into a glider” line is to let the audience know unambiguously that neither Rhodey nor Vision were intending to endanger Sam. Unless you’re hellbent on vilifying either character, there’s no real point in trying to argue otherwise.

I think the confusion mostly comes from Tony and Vision seeming to agree that Vision has some sort of fault–but it’s not obvious what that is, given that Sam dodged and it was an accident, which leaves us to guess at what it could be. Some people think it means Vision was acting out of malice, or that Vision missed and hit Rhodes. Like I said, neither are true.

The way I interpreted it is that Vision knows that he wasn’t acting logically.

Why didn’t Vision involve himself more in the airport battle?

Why didn’t Vision chase after the Quinjet?

Why didn’t he respond to Rhodey’s first call for assistance?

Wanda, of course. He was distracted by her and her well-being, leading him to prioritize her before their mission. But Tony and Vision don’t understand this, so both are taken aback.

In short, let these pages from Avengers #99 describe what I mean:

Avengers v.1 #99

do you think scarlet vision will get back together in the comics?

Oh, probably eventually, but not permanently.

It’s like any other famous comic book couple than aren’t like Sue Storm and Reed Richards or Lois Lane and Superman: full of enough history that neither character can be separated from the other, but with so much baggage in the way they never last.

If it happens, it’ll either be because the movies get them together, or a writer who read and loved the Bronze Age Avengers wants them back together.

But it’s a cycle. One writer may want them back together–and even succeed, depending on their clout and how long their run goes–but another might hate the idea, or hate one of the characters, or want to use one character but not the other. And then they’ll break up (and then be more afraid of the writer taking a ‘scorched earth’ approach to this than the actual break up).

Honestly I’m fine with that. Such are comics. Most of my favorite comic book couples are done with in much the same way, and it’s just a result of the nature of a medium that has ongoing stories handled by many different creators.

Really what I hope for is they simply have an amicable relationship, with no attempts to diminish their past because someone really wants Wanda to be with Simon, or Vision to be a toaster with no feelings.

Does Robinson ever have Vision make an appearance? Or does he even touch on that history?

Vision hasn’t made an appearance in Scarlet Witch vol. 2, no. He has been briefly referenced in the last few issues:

Scarlet Witch v. 2 #8

Scarlet Witch v. 2 #9

What Wanda is referencing in #8 is likely West Coast Avengers v. 2 #45, when Vision loses his emotions. It is ignoring that he regained them, they reconciled, and got back together shortly before Disassembled in Kurt Busiek’s, then Geoff Johns’ run. It does, however, raise the fairly decent point that’s been raised only once before: why did none of the Avengers try to help Vision? We got an explanation from Tony for most of them, but it’s never been addressed with Wanda. This issue posits that Wanda has been too paralyzed by her history to confront it, and thus ignored Vision’s remains and refused to face what she did–kill her husband.

As for #9, this is taken directly from Englehart’s characterization of Pietro as a controlling brother who saw Vision as little more than a toaster. He didn’t feel that way before, and hasn’t felt that way in a long time. But as I said in the previous post, Robinson is making Pietro the villain of Wanda’s past, so it’s not surprising he drew from the era in which they were most at odds.

Pretty sure the area with the chairs and the painting is part of the common room, and not Vision’s own (if he was one). The tussle with Hawkeye takes place in the same room, just with the camera turned the other way, and it certainly doesn’t look like personal accommodation.

It’s quite possible it’s not literally his room, since we’re not actually told it is!

But I took it as being that way because it’s hard to imagine what other purpose it’s supposed to have.

We know it’s definitely not a part of that common area, because by the end of that fight we’ve seen every angle of it and nothing like Vision’s little area is there. That scene also opens with Vision phasing up from the floor, which I think implies he left whatever room he was previously in.

But really what makes me see it as likely being his room (or his area), is that there’s really no reason for that room to exist as it is. Every other area of the compound, even if we only see it for a second, is not only decorated, its space is also used effectively.

We legit see four sitting areas just in the common room alone. Two tabled areas, two lounge areas (and that doesn’t include the conference room or bar). All of them are decorated, have pillows, lamps, they’re facing each other…

Despite the fact that red lounge area never receives focus for more than a couple of half-second shots, it’s very well decorated. There’s even books on the table, though you can’t see it there.

But Vision’s rest room is such an oddity! The chairs facing a painting instead of each other is basically as meaningful for most people as chairs facing a wall. There’s not even a window to look out of–the only one is so high only someone who can fly could see out of it.

The set designers gave detail to the single second we see of Steve’s office; Wanda’s room was very lovingly decorated; and every other shot of the compound shows they put thought into how it looked. So when they saw the script called for a still shot of a room for Vision to be in stand-by mode in, why’d they choose to decorate it like that?

I could be wrong, but that’s my read anyway.