Really hope Jim Zubb can improve Champions after these last few lackluster issues.

I’m mostly not very engaged with the direction Viv was taken. King’s Vision ends with Viv excited to explore the world as she is. Hopeful and happy, despite everything.

This is honestly a pretty big departure and refreshing taking on robotic/synthetic characters (that don’t look outwardly human) in media. So, Viv’s whole “beep-boop what is this thing you call love?” thing doesn’t do it for me.

So far, Zub does seem to want to stay consistent with the most recent runs of characters he is working with. I don’t always agree with the interpretation he’s carrying forward but I think it’s a perfectly respectable choice to make. So I think he’s very likely to keep Viv on the same path Waid has, which is one I’m not terribly interested in.

Define ‘horrible implications’ re: Champions? I mean I get it, but like, specifically.

So, Vision made Viv 2.0 in the same way as he made Viv 1.0. Inasmuch Viv 1 is a real person who is really his daughter, Viv 2 is as well. But here:

Even if he’s doing this to make Viv 1 feel less guilty it’s still hideously dehumanizing. This person that Vision made out of grief to replace what he lost–you know, the same reason he made Viv 1–was “born” ill, and Vision discards her validity as a person very easily. Vision himself was infected with a murderous virus in the last year.

This could have been really interesting–after all, a big theme of King’s Vision was that he had trouble connecting to his family as individuals because he made them fully formed to replace something lost in his life–i.e. what good can come from this lie?– so it follows that he would reject Viv 2 and embrace Viv 1. But the framing of the comic is meant to be heartfelt, sweet. We’re supposed to see how caring of a father he is to forgive Viv 1, not focus on what it means for him to discard Viv 2.

Then there’s Viv 1 deciding it “honors” Viv 2 for the girl that destroyed her mind to use her body like an organ donor, essentially murdering her by erasing (in theory) any possibility of Viv 2’s recovery or autonomy, and her aunt helps her do it.

I’m not holding this against the characters–clearly none of what I’m saying is the intent in the reading. It’s more of a writing issue that I’m describing here. Some of it is coming from the fact this is a teen-focused book, so Viv’s perspective as a teenager here is more important than Vision’s perspective as a father. But it does make it hard for me to read this as a strictly sweet moment.

So you don’t know when is the time to start avoiding the internet? I’m so afraid of catching a spoiler

If you want to be very safe, once you start seeing numbered TV Spots, it’s time to go. If you’ve been combing all of the promo material like some of us have, then you might accidentally start putting stuff together that wasn’t meant to be directly spoiled. However, if you do feel like you were unintentionally spoiled, don’t worry! It’s easy to jump to conclusions when you’ve only got part of the puzzle. Before Civil War, I assumed this shot:

correlated with this scene:

because we hadn’t any hint of Vision’s mistake in any of the promo and I figured they were probably going to keep (Jonas) Vision’s big moment from Civil War.

So, even if it seems like you find something out, there’s still a lot of misdirection and misinterpretation going on, and you might be less spoiled than you think.

will you watch it the day it comes out? It’ll be at least a week for me. It will be torturous to stay out of the internet (I’m probably going to unfollow you temporarily btw)

Yes, I’ve got my tickets for opening night in the US, and I’m 100% behind you in avoiding the internet when it comes crunch time. I’m going to find a cave to live in for a few weeks before the actual premiere. Usually a good time is right around when novelizations release… but they haven’t announced any yet, so I’m wondering if they’re pulling a TLJ and waiting.

One way or another, I’m going on hiatus sometime before IW releases for a few weeks! Once I’ve seen it I’ll keep tagging #infinity war and #spoilers, but if anyone knows they won’t be seeing it until after 4/27, my blog is not going to be safe!

Are you watching the premiere?

For Infinity War? Probably! There’s usually not a ton of new info–most of the cast just gets asked the same questions they’ve been answering the whole press junket–but there’s usually a few fun things, and of course the clothes!

do you have a link to that post that talks about Wanda’s room on civil war?

I don’t, but I’d be interested to read it myself!

How would you describe Forbush Man in three words and only three words?

Woefully underutilized parody.

do you think Wanda was hiding with Vision the whole time? Or she was with cap?

Spider-Man: Homecoming mentions Peter’s room being across from Vision’s, so Vision hasn’t been missing the entire time since Civil War. The prelude comic acts as if Wanda met up with Vision immediately afterwards, but I don’t really trust those prelude comics.

Honestly we don’t have much to go on. I mean, presumably the rest of the Secret Avengers aren’t only staying in Edinburgh. They’re all close enough to come running when Wanda calls in the middle of a battle, so she must have been sticking with them.

So my gut leans towards Vision and Wanda meeting up on more clandestine interludes rather than being with Vision the whole time.

Does anyone have any recs of fics of Wanda? Preferably scarlet vision but mostly team bonding, either between AOU and Civil War or post Civil war

@thescarletvisionnetwork has a list of speculative Infinity War fic here. I don’t know if they have any others, and I don’t read much fic myself! Anyone have any good recs?

I think the change on her clothes from AOU to CW is more to show that she went from “young in a precarious situation” to living in a good place, taken care of, etc.

Oh and in Infinity War she was on the run, so more discreet clothes and stuff

Yes, it’s partially meant to indicate that, but I addressed it being solely communicating that in the other answer:

This is less to do with her living in impoverished Sokovia than one
might think–Pietro has a much more kempt style to him, and his clothing
doesn’t suggest as much about his age as hers does.

This matches with what we see of her in the hotel room, and that .1
second shot of her in costume in Wakanda. The “less make-up” thing is
really pointed especially.

They could have chosen many styles to communicate “Wanda is impoverished” and “Wanda is on the run”, but they chose styles that would also strongly communicate age, too. After all, these are her “discreet clothes” in Civil War:

They could have continued dressing her in the exact same style, but they didn’t, they aged her up. She continues to wear less (Hollywood) make-up in Wakanda. These being the only outfits she’ll likely get to wear, they have to communicate a lot, and they chose to give her clothing and style her so that she would, again, seem to jump up in age. It’s also worth noting Marvel’s costuming department makes almost all of their clothing from scratch, and they think of a lot when they dress them.

Anyway, I’ve gone on about this for a while now, so if you want to keep talking, please PM me. 🙂