will you watch it the day it comes out? It’ll be at least a week for me. It will be torturous to stay out of the internet (I’m probably going to unfollow you temporarily btw)

Yes, I’ve got my tickets for opening night in the US, and I’m 100% behind you in avoiding the internet when it comes crunch time. I’m going to find a cave to live in for a few weeks before the actual premiere. Usually a good time is right around when novelizations release… but they haven’t announced any yet, so I’m wondering if they’re pulling a TLJ and waiting.

One way or another, I’m going on hiatus sometime before IW releases for a few weeks! Once I’ve seen it I’ll keep tagging #infinity war and #spoilers, but if anyone knows they won’t be seeing it until after 4/27, my blog is not going to be safe!

do you think Wanda was hiding with Vision the whole time? Or she was with cap?

Spider-Man: Homecoming mentions Peter’s room being across from Vision’s, so Vision hasn’t been missing the entire time since Civil War. The prelude comic acts as if Wanda met up with Vision immediately afterwards, but I don’t really trust those prelude comics.

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Honestly we don’t have much to go on. I mean, presumably the rest of the Secret Avengers aren’t only staying in Edinburgh. They’re all close enough to come running when Wanda calls in the middle of a battle, so she must have been sticking with them.

So my gut leans towards Vision and Wanda meeting up on more clandestine interludes rather than being with Vision the whole time.

I think the change on her clothes from AOU to CW is more to show that she went from “young in a precarious situation” to living in a good place, taken care of, etc.

Oh and in Infinity War she was on the run, so more discreet clothes and stuff

Yes, it’s partially meant to indicate that, but I addressed it being solely communicating that in the other answer:

This is less to do with her living in impoverished Sokovia than one
might think–Pietro has a much more kempt style to him, and his clothing
doesn’t suggest as much about his age as hers does.

This matches with what we see of her in the hotel room, and that .1
second shot of her in costume in Wakanda. The “less make-up” thing is
really pointed especially.

They could have chosen many styles to communicate “Wanda is impoverished” and “Wanda is on the run”, but they chose styles that would also strongly communicate age, too. After all, these are her “discreet clothes” in Civil War:

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They could have continued dressing her in the exact same style, but they didn’t, they aged her up. She continues to wear less (Hollywood) make-up in Wakanda. These being the only outfits she’ll likely get to wear, they have to communicate a lot, and they chose to give her clothing and style her so that she would, again, seem to jump up in age. It’s also worth noting Marvel’s costuming department makes almost all of their clothing from scratch, and they think of a lot when they dress them.

Anyway, I’ve gone on about this for a while now, so if you want to keep talking, please PM me. 🙂

I’m glad someone agrees that she’s not in her teens in IW, I’ve seen so many claim she’s 18 in that one and it doesn’t really make sense to me. Tho if what SJ said about the timeline is correct I personally would put her more in the 22-23 age range, especially *because* of what you said about her wardrobe, cause it’d fit more I think with your theory. But anyway I wanted to ask – you’re the only person who headcanons her at this age and I’m curious what makes you think of of her being 22 in AOU?

Well, for one, unlike Tom Holland and Letitia Wright, who were clearly chosen for youthful features that would continue to pass as very young, Elizabeth Olsen didn’t look like a teenager at the time of casting, even in the movie:

They already knew when Infinity War would be, and that the actress would be 27/28 at the time of filming it.

For two, even if she had meant to be 18/19 in Age of Ultron, I think the new creative team from Civil War on wanted her to be older than that.

And let me talk about the wardrobe they used to communicate that (bear in mind I’m talking Hollywood costuming technique–if I say “unkempt” I mean, Hollywood unkempt):

So, in Age of Ultron, her look is meant to communicate “young and rebellious”. This could have been expressed in a lot of different fashion styles, but some elements say those things in just about any of them: her hair is relatively unkempt, her make-up is smudged and dark, she wears lots of patterns and layers and her clothes are generally a little bit more worn and rough looking. This is less to do with her living in impoverished Sokovia than one might think–Pietro has a much more kempt style to him, and his clothing doesn’t suggest as much about his age as hers does.

This character could read as a teenager, this is true. But if the creative team of Civil War wanted her to continue to read so young, we would have continued to see the smudged make-up, etc. Instead:

The costumers are careful to give her something close to the same style she wore in AoU, but they went out of their way to age it up. Solid colors, her clothes are much nicer, her hair is highlighted and styled, her make-up is refined, the silhouette becomes more defined. The costuming is telling us “this is the same person, but more put together and defined”–matured.

In IW, we only know of two outfits that she wears (and likely the only two we’ll see her in), so these outfits have to say a lot. Her fashion sense is still a little grungy, but she appears to be wearing pants (!), less layers, less make-up. Her hair is not unkempt, but it not quite noticeably less styled then in CW.

This matches with what we see of her in the hotel room, and that .1 second shot of her in costume in Wakanda. The “less make-up” thing is really pointed especially.

The fact that she is wearing contemporary fashion at the time of IW’s shooting isn’t as meaningful. They styled her in a way that would read as older than her CW self and significantly older than AoU.

You might think "Well, sure, she did age after all”, but so has every other Avenger, and they haven’t been given costume-based age jumps. Even a character like Peter has stayed consistently dressed over the three movies we’ve seen him in–because it’s important that we continue to see him as a young teenager, even if he’s supposed to have matured between now and SMH.

And that’s what I’m getting at, if Wanda was meant to be very young and always read that way, her costuming would communicate this. In my opinion 22 is still too young for these jumps to have made sense, especially relative to the other Avengers who are no younger than 35 at this point.

Oh and quick note–someone mentioned that Wanda was wearing boyfriend jeans when I said “mom jeans” here–I think the line is a bit blurred between those two as distinct fashion styles, but IMO, boyfriend jeans are generally looser, lower cut, and straight-legged. The key is they look masculine in style. Wanda’s are tight, past her navel, and tapered. Definitively feminine. I don’t mean to say she’s meant to look dowdy (all the Avengers dress in something that can be seen as fashionable, even Steve) but she’s definitely meant to look older.

Finally–and this is 100% me being biased–if we want to see Billy and Tommy, our chances are better if she’s a bit older than 22.

Do you think they will say something about Pietro on Infinity War? I thought it was really weird they didn’t on Civil War, especially on that scene that shows the Sokovia destruction in front of Wanda (and they made it look like in the trailer that Wanda was upset by it, when actually it was about that other thing on the beggining of CW)

Well, we see Bruce and Wanda together here:

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I’m not sure if the movie has room for it, but they have at least a little bit to talk about together, so it might come up.

That
said, I think part of the reason for killing Pietro was so that Wanda
could have a story without needing to tie back to him. With every second
of screentime being so important, they might not feel Wanda bringing up
something we already know, that can’t affect the story anymore–she
loves and misses her brother–contributes enough to her development.

I think is normal that they treat her like a kid. Someone on their early 20’s is often seen as a kid by the 30+,40+ that the others are, specially if you consider the power thing, with experience and such. So yeah, she might be 25 on Infinity War, 24 on Civil War and 22 on AOU, if this timeline is correct.

She is young, and yes, inexperience plays into the way the Avengers treat her. But the writers have said it’s also a matter of fear-born condescension. You can see it in the argument Steve and Tony have over the pens. When coming to a head about what Steve feels is internment and Tony feels is due caution, Tony defaults into dehumanizing Wanda, Steve defaults into infantilizing her.

Wasn’t Ragnarok supposed to be set 2 years after AOU and Ragnarok right before Infinity War? They confuse me with their ever changing timeline. Do you think it’s possible Scarlett made a mistake? Because maybe she thought since Civil War came out in 2015-2016 (filming / release), and this one in 2017-2018, that she just assumed it all happens like that in real time since actors are rarely (especially when in such a big franchise) up to date with changes like that.

Well, she did say 2-3 years. Going with ‘2′ makes sense.